[ipv6hackers] IPv6 security (slides and training)

Owen DeLong owend at he.net
Sat Nov 12 03:02:45 CET 2011

On Nov 11, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Doug Barton wrote:

> On 11/11/2011 17:20, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2011 15:15, Fred Bovy wrote:
>>>>>> The motivation to deploy IPv6 is, quite simply, the ability to remain
>>>>>> connected to the outside world. We are running out of IPv4 addresses.
>>>>>> Simple math dictates that they are finite and that there are nowhere
>>>>>> near enough of them to meet growth demands of the internet on
>>>>>> a global scale.
>>>> Just like if you want to receive a TV program Colour HD, you need to trash
>>>> your old Black and White TV Set you loved so much because it was a gift
>>>> from your grand'pa and was still working good after 25 years !
>>> ... or, just get the free digital -> analog converter provided by the
>>> gummint.
>> Fair enough, but, that solution (like the v4 hacks proposed) will not allow you
>> to watch that program in colour or in HD. It will provide a significantly degraded
>> user experience.
> No, it will provide the same user experience that they know, are
> comfortable with, and satisfied with.

OK, you found the point where the analogy breaks down. That's true for TV,
but, untrue for IPv4.

>>> I'm sorry to be so blunt, but the fact that you think this situation is
>>> in any way analogous to IPv6 vs IPv4 is a symptom of the exact lack of
>>> understanding of the fundamental issues that I was talking about.
>> Less so than you appear to think.
> The analogy is deeply flawed because for existing users there is nothing
> about IPv6 that makes IPv4 go away. And the tail for new users is going
> to be a lot longer than 2 years.

Where a lot is <5, I might be inclined to agree with you.

However, I'll point out that HDTV transmissions over ATSC began more
than 5 years before NTSC transmissions were discontinued in the US.


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